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05/14/08

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Time is Running Out for Israel

Gilad Atzmon


Dr Manuel Hassassian

Palstine Think Tank

Atzmon’s report of the Nakba commemoration event

Something positive is happening, I would even call it a shift of awareness, a realisation that the Palestinian struggle is leading somewhere after all.

Yesterday, at Exeter University, to a very crowded theatre, in an event of that was a commemoration of 60 years of the Nakba, I had a chance to listen to Dr Manuel Hassassian, the Palestinian Ambassador to Britain. I may as well say it, Palestinian eloquence cheers me up and fills me with hope and pride and Dr Hassassian has plenty of it.

These days it is rather rare to hear or see a PLO spokesman who lets his fierceness and rage be seen. The Ambassador was angry, he was furious, yet, at the same time, astonishingly measured and considered.

“Enough is enough”, was his message. He admitted that twenty years of negotiation with the Israelis led his people nowhere. America is not a true honest negotiator and this may not change in the near future. America and Israel have locked themselves into a Catholic marriage, they can have a spat, sometimes they do not talk for weeks but somehow, they always stay together.

“We the Palestinians,” said the Ambassador, “tried our very best to secure a peace deal. In 2002, the Arab League offered a peace imitative, this didn’t lead anywhere either. All we hear about is the Israelis seeking security.” As pathetic as it does sound, he had to bring to our attention the absurdity of the fact that the state with the world’s 4th largest army is seeking security from occupied Palestine! The crowd burst into laughter. Apparently the Israelis think they are close to exhausting the patience of the Palestinians, suggested the Ambassador. However, in his view, they are really miscalculating the balance of power. The future belongs to the Palestinian people.

“True, they, the Israelis, have a ‘nuclear bomb’, but we,” said the Ambassador, “have a ‘demographic bomb’.” Again, the audience cracked into laughter and believe me, there is nothing more cheerful than seeing a big theatre crowded with Palestinian solidarity activists having a laugh at the expense of almighty Israel. In less than 12 years the Palestinians are going to be the majority on the ground. If the Israelis believe that 22 Arab states and billions of Muslims will let them get away with their daily atrocities, they are really fooling themselves.

Though the Ambassador didn’t say it, the message was clear. As far as the Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims are concerned, the window of opportunity is closing down. The doomed fate of the Jewish state is written on the wall. You have to be blind not to see it. In Exeter University Theatre everyone could see it. Needless to say, Rabin, Peres, Sharon and Olmert have read it as well. Apparently, the looming reality has been far stronger than their political power.

Yesterday in Exeter I saw a room full of students of very many nationalities including of course very many young Palestinians and Arab students. Many British people of all ages were present, including the very supportive community of the local PSC branch.

The Exeter Friends of Palestine may have got the recipes right. They have combined an academic and intellectual discussion with a cultural event and a culinary break. After three talks, one given by a PhD student Aida Es-Said, one by Dr Manuel Hassassian and the third by myself, the audience was invited to attend a concert featuring Nizar Al Issa, Mohammed Diab, a local folk dance group and my own Orient House Ensemble. On the way to the concert the entire crowd was introduced to the best of Palestine cuisine: Humus, Tabuleh, Falafel, Grape leaves and so on.

There wasn’t even a hint of the old anachronistic dogmatic leftist clichés. No one insisted upon telling us what we should talk about. No one mentioned ‘anti-semitism’. It wasn’t at all about Jews and their suffering, but rather about Palestine and the ongoing genocide committed by the Jewish state. The event was all about Palestinians who stood up and say: this is who we are, this is our Nakba, this is what we think, here is what we eat, this is what we listen to and this is how it looks when we break into dancing.

If you like what you see, hear or eat, then Salam Alekum.

If you don’t, no worries, don’t waste your time, just move on, go somewhere else.

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© 2008 Gilad Atzmon

SOURCE: http://palestinethinktank.com/2008/05/13/time-is-running-out-for-israel-atzmons-report-of-the-nakba-commemoration-event/

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Comment from: CelticKnight [Member]
I do think that time is running out for Israel much faster than many are aware of.

One of my friends used to say that all it would take is for even one of our puppet governments in the mideast to be toppled and it would set off a chain reaction which would result in all the others going down and then Israels days were very close to being at an end.

Thanks to the dyslectic retarded moron in the oval office and the neocon invasion of Iraq we now have that toppled government. This is the reason why they now feel compelled to invade all of Israels other enemies, because they know they screwed up.

Keep in mind that Iraq is the perfect training ground for Arab and Persian freedom fighters. They get to go head to head with the top military equipment on a daily basis and develop tactics and techniques that they couldn't learn in any other way.

Remember when Israel invaded Lebanon a couple of summers ago? They got their asses kicked bigtime. Why? Because they were facing a highly trained force of combat veterans from Iraq. Their communications were completely compromised while at the same time Hezbolah's communications were completely secure.

Israel's top Special Forces unit didn't even make it inside Lebanon a few miles when they were trapped and had to call for help to get out of there. In one day they lost over 50 Merkhava tanks on the side of a mountain pass as Hezbollah picked them off like shooting fish in a barrel, LOL. Using the latest version of the Russian RPG that has been modified to be completely successful against heavily armored vehicles. All they had to do was to take out one tank on one end and one on the other and all the rest were trapped, LOL. Then take out a few in between and nobody was going anywhere unless they wanted to drive their tank off the side of the mountain with the same effect.

So as big and bad as the Israeli's think they are when they are using all of the latest weaponry against a largely unarmed population when they are faced with combat hardened veterans who understand military tactics, they look like a bunch of little girls.

The bloody nose they received in Lebanon will sit heavy upon them for a long time into the future. Eventually there will be enough fighters trained from Iraq to invade Israel and kill every single man, woman and child, just the same as the Israeli's are now doing to the Palestinians. ALL of their modern weaponry will NOT be able to prevent what is coming.

One other thing to watch out for. DOGS people are some of the most psychotic people on planet earth. I was told by one of their people that Israel has designated 1/3rd of their nuclear arsenal to destroy the entire planet in the event that they are over run. They have planned to destroy the environment. But I don't think they are going to get very far with this plan. Because Russia is poised to turn all of Israel into a glass parking lot as soon as the psychotic idiots so much as think about launching nukes.

Take a look at a map. Russia can not afford to have these psychopaths popping nukes without a heavy dose of radiation coming into their area of the world. A preemptive strike by Russia upon Israel is their best defense. They know it. Unlike the low IQ Israelis Russia still has a very high level education system.
Permalink 05/14/08 @ 15:43
Comment from: GodSend [Member] · http://novalight.org
Time is Running Out for Israel - as well as for Humanity. Time will Run Out for Israel first because Yahweh's promise to Israel (Ezekiel 22:20) will be fulfilled before the curtain comes down on the world stage as we know it (2012).

In order to SEE! and understand what is happening in the world today, we need vision which goes deeper than the surface events which are reported by the Media, including the Alternative Media in cyberspace. The Puzzle of human existence is multi-dimensional and includes the all-important spiritual realm.

The path to true enlightenment for all Truth-Seekers leads inevitably to Christ-Consciousness. Until that plane is reached, there is only groping around in the Dark.

For a full revelation of The Puzzle (including the nature and destiny of Zionists and Israel), venture down the Rabbit Hole at: http://novalight.org

Be prepared for 'Shock and Awe'. If you're only interested in the highlights, view the Trailer at: http://sol-godsend.blogspot.com

The Clock is ticking down the final seconds of human history. Where do we go from Here? Why, to Eternity, of course! Eternity, like most things in this life, has 2 sides: The side of Eternal Light and Life and the side of Eternal Darkness and Death. You get to choose Here. Choose wisely!

Permalink 05/15/08 @ 10:11
Comment from: artiea [Member]
We have all been had!

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Posted: March 22, 2002
1:00 am Eastern

By Sharon Nader Sloan
© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com

Did you know that there was never any country called Palestine? Did you know that there is no such thing as a Palestinian people?

The ideas that the West Bank and Gaza are occupied Palestinian land, and that the Palestinian people are fighting for their land, have been accepted by most of the governments of the world and by most of the media in the world. But if you read on, you will see that these two claims are the biggest lies ever deliberately perpetrated on humanity.

Check out any map of the Middle East and see for yourself. You will find Palestine listed as a region as it always has been, but definitely not a country. We can locate the Mojave Desert on the map, but we still do not recognize it as our 51st state, let alone a country. Similarly, the region of Siberia is a region not a state. Or the Sahara is a region not a state, etc. Neither is Palestine a state. It never was a country, just a region.

Importantly, the Jews did not displace anyone, because no one permanently resided there. It was a land inhabited by nomadic, Bedouin tribes. The whole region was nothing but deserts and swamps. Only about 120,000 Arabs resided in an area that covered the territories, the state of Israel and Jordan. When Mark Twain visited the area, he wrote he found nothing but a wasteland.

During the 19 years that the territories – including Jerusalem and Gaza – were occupied by the kingdoms of Jordan and Egypt, no one talked about a Palestinian state … not the Arab countries, not the United Nations. Nobody asked Jordan or Egypt to abdicate their ownership and give it to the Palestinians. Not even the Palestinians themselves said anything about a Palestinian state or a Palestinian people, because nobody heard of a Palestinian people. It never existed.

The fact simply is that there are no Palestinians. These people are Arabs like all other Arabs, and they happen to live in a region called Palestine. They are not a separate people.

What makes a separate people? Religion, language, culture, garb, cuisine, etc. The Arabs in Palestine speak the same language, practice the same religion, have the same culture, etc., as all the other Arabs. The few minor differences that exist between them are like the minor differences that exist between the Welsh, the Scots, and the Londoners. They are still all Britons. Yankees and Southerners have the same minor differences, but they are still all Americans. People in the south of France are quite different from the people in the north, but they are still all French. These inconsequential differences do not make a people.

The Arabs living in Syria or Jordan, etc., are also the same Arabs, but they are each a separate nation because they each have a separate country. The so-called Palestinians want a separate country because they claim to be a separate nation. They are not. They were never a separate people before the new state of Israel. How did they become one now?

Because of these lies, the so-called Palestinians feel justified in sending suicide bombers to kill women, children, babies, old men, old women and noncombatant citizens. Because of these lies, the United Nations and the media of the world are condemning Israel who is acting less harshly than any other country would act in retaliation for such heinous attacks. What is the United States doing in Afghanistan, a totally foreign country? Killing Afghanistanis. Why? Because they attacked us on Sept. 11. I understand this. But why do they not understand that that is exactly what Israel is doing, only on a much smaller scale?

Ask yourself this: Should the use of terror ever be rewarded? When is the use of terrorism justified as a military tactic? As a political tactic? As an economic tactic? What implications does this hold for future conflicts?

Let us examine the truths here:

1) There never was a Palestinian state or a Palestinian nation. There are no Palestinian people, per se. Rather, these are Arabs living in a region that historically has been called many things, including "Palestine."

2) Israel did not go to war against a Palestinian state and occupy its land. Rather, Israel was attacked by six Arab countries at once. She defended herself, defeated her attackers, and won the so-called territories, not from the Palestinians, but from Jordan and Egypt.

3) Jerusalem was never the capital of any state but Israel. It was certainly never the capital of a country that never existed. Why should the Palestinians get any part of it? Because they want it? Because they have terrorists?

4) Jerusalem, under the current Israeli control, is a free and open city. Israel, as a democracy, guarantees freedom of religion within its borders. Contrast this fact with areas that have come under Palestinian occupation. What percentage of Christians have left in recent years because they cannot stand the harassment and persecution?

5) Most Arabs living in Palestine today are not indigenous to the region. It was not until after the Jews had changed deserts and swamps into a productive and thriving land that the Arabs started migrating there. Arafat himself was born and raised in Cairo, Egypt. Did you know that?

The belief that giving the Palestinians a state will bring peace is a delusion. The truth is that they want it all. The short-term goal is a state consisting of the West Bank and Gaza. The long-term goal is a state which includes all of "historical Palestine," including Jordan.

How do I know this?

The late Faisal Husseini, Arafat's Jerusalem representative Faisal Husseini represented Faisal Husseini, a man who was cultured, sophisticated and considered the most moderate of all the Palestinians, shortly before his death on May 31, 2001, expressed his true feelings in an interview with the popular Egyptian newspaper el Arav. Husseini said: "We must distinguish the strategies and long-term goals from the political-phased goals which we are compelled to accept due to international pressures." But the "ultimate goal is the liberation of all of historical Palestine." Explicitly he said: "Oslo has to be viewed as a Trojan Horse."

He even added and clarified that it is the obligation of all the Palestinian forces and factions to see the Oslo Accords as "temporary" steps, as "gradual" goals, because in this way, "We are setting an ambush for the Israelis and cheating them." He also differentiated between "strategic," long-term, "higher" goals, and "political" short-term goals dependent on "the current international establishment, balance of power" etc.

All of historical Palestine! Does not this include all of Israel and all of Jordan?

What does this say to you?

Unless the Arabs recognize and accept these truths, even if they are given a state of their own, and no matter how many agreements and treaties they sign, they will always feel wronged, cheated, and forced into giving up what they now claim is theirs. They will continue to plot and look for an opportunity to destroy Israel in order to take back what they claim is theirs, especially the younger generation that has been brainwashed to hate the “occupying enemy.” Whether there is a Palestinian state or not, there will be no peace.

Only a massive and ongoing re-education of the Arab people to these truths will enable meaningful negotiations to begin, followed by a lasting peace between Arabs and Jews. It is therefore critical that everyone who has an audience, whether in print or other media, use the forum they have available to repeat these truths again and again until they reach the consciousness of those waging war in the Middle East [Israel].


artiea,

You're not supposed to post an article in the comment section.
You're not supposed to post someone else's article either.
You're not supposed to post lies. -This article is full of them.

If we catch you posting someone else's article again OR posting even ONE more lie, we'll delete your identity and annul your membership. This is the first & last warning that you'll get.

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Permalink 05/15/08 @ 12:50
Comment from: CelticKnight [Member]
I can see that the zionazi psychopaths are out in force tonight, LOL.

1st of all to start out with, the jews are NOT Israel. You can put any name you want on the jews but they are not Israel today and the southern 2 tribes of Judah and Benjamin split away from the northern 10 tribes of Israel more than 900 years before the birth of Christ.

The covenant is NOT with the jews but rather with Israel. So all the phony BS about the bible and Israel as it pertains to the imposters in the sandbox is just that and nothing more. If anything from the bible is apt regarding the wannabes in the sandbox it is Revelation 2:9. More than 90% of the people who pretend to be jews today haven't got a drop of semitic blood in their veins. Read the '13th Tribe' written by Koestler, himself a jew and available online.

Regarding all the BS about there never being a Palestine, that is all it is , just zionazi psychopathic BULL. If anything is correct there never was an Israel in the area of land occupied by the jews today. Look at a map, there Never was an Israel, LOL in that area. So using the zionazis own distorted logic they don't belong there either!

Like I stated in the original post in this comment section, the psychopathic and genocidal pigs in the sandbox who have been methodically carrying out the genocide of the only actual semitic people in the region haven't got much longer for this planet! Bye Bye phonies! ;)
Permalink 05/15/08 @ 22:09
Comment from: Phillo [Member]
Reading Artea's post and your response made me quite sad. Opinions and statements that you deem outlandish are crossed out and he is given a stern warning not to lie, while opinions from those you agree with are given wide latitude to disseminate hate and foster continued hatred, no matter how over the top they are.

Basically, the Real Truth of TPV is to promote this message:
All problems in the world are because of the Jews. If only the Jews and their influence were gone from (Fill in the Blank)_______ the world would live in peace and harmony. If they packed up and left Israel all would be well instantly.


Some other truths:
If the holocaust did not exist, or was in effect only as 'Holocaust Lite' or one of the other made up words you allow people to use, then why do so many articles refer to Israeli rule of Gaza and the West Bank as some form of the Holocaust?

If the Israeli actions are genocidal and (as the immediate post above sweetly calls them "genocidal pigs in the sandbox who have been methodically carrying out the genocide") then why haven't they just used their superior military to actually kill 100's of thousands and be done with their problem instead of so few each year? Why not poison the water and let the settlers keep the land?

If the plight of the Palestinians is so just, then why haven't Petrodollars always flowed to make their lives easier? (Of course the only answer permitted is: The Jews are behind the Arab governments), but seriously, why haven't the Arab world ever supported them, other than with beautifully staged demonstrations. With all the Iranian money around, the only improvement in the Palestinians lives is more dead as Israel retaliates for longer range rockets that are being supplied. Thanks Iran.

Every kook can and has written a book. It is real easy. Take a manuscript to a self publishing house/printing shop and for as little as $800 they will manufacture 100 copies for you. Bring them art work and they will make you a nice dust cover. Today these books can easily be accessed on the internet and they have become the "you can even read it in ...." to back up the ridiculous claims made here.

As far as I can tell, the vast majority of authors to this site feel that armed struggle is the only answer. One went so far this week as to pray for an Armaggedon so that along with the innocent millions that would be killed, at least the Jews would be gone. Is this sane?


Why do Shiites and Sunnis kill each other? Why do Christian Palestinians know they can never have full rights in an Islamic country? Why is there no intermingling of Christians and Muslims in the Gaza/West Bank?

Take any situation and make it a Jewish Conspiracy.
Your failures? A Jewish Conspiracy.
Al Queada? A Jewish Conspiracy.
9/11? A Jewish Conspiracy.
HIV/Aids? A Jewish Conspiracy.
Forclosures? A Jewish Conspiracy.
NY Times? A Jewish Conspiracy, but not when they publish an ant-Israel article.
The UN? A Jewish Conspiracy.
Drought? Yes of course...a Jewish Conspiracy.
Anything to do with Banking? A Jewish Conspiracy, even into the funds of Singapore, Dubai, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.

History is long. Choosing when to point your finger onto the timeline and say "lets start looking at the problem from ....here" will never solve the problem. Bringing into play Bible quotes to prove a point is stupid. Claiming moral superiority is worthless, and trying to score points in this game by showing who has suffered more is just as stupid.

In the meantime the Palestinians wallow in misery. What has improved for them in the last year? Longer range rockets and very nifty looking weapons that Hamas carries around are all I see. There were more honor killings though and women cannot leave their homes without their faces covered. Add to that an ever deepening sense of hopelessness. Where are the leaders who talked about compromise, maybe half a loaf is better than nothing? Those guys are long dead or under threat of death for writing that stuff: and its not coming from Israel either!

I am done with you guys. Bye.









Permalink 05/16/08 @ 02:53
Comment from: Phillo [Member]
It has got to be part of the Jew conspiracy!

Unknown assailants detonated a bomb outside a Christian school in Gaza City before dawn Friday, causing no injuries.

The powerful explosion was heard in surrounding neighborhoods at around 4 a.m. Damage was visible at the entrance to the Zahwa Rosary School, which is run by Catholic nuns but caters mainly to Muslim students.

Police officials from Hamas said they were looking into the incident. A school official declined to comment.

The bombing was the latest in a string of attacks on Christian institutions in the overwhelmingly Muslim territory. In the most serious attack, a local Christian activist was murdered in October. His killers have not been found.

Friday's bombing was not the first attack on the school run by the Rosary Sisters. The school was ransacked in June, 2007, along with the nuns' adjacent convent, during a week of intense fighting that ended with Hamas' seizure of power.

About 3,200 Christians live in Gaza among 1.4 million Muslims. Relations between Christians and Muslims have traditionally been good, and Christians have held a respected place in Gaza's society as members of the territory's small elite, running schools, hospitals and businesses.

But the tiny community has grown increasingly uneasy since Hamas routed forces of the secular Fatah movement and became the sole power in the territory.
Permalink 05/16/08 @ 03:30
Comment from: CelticKnight [Member]
artiea,

You're not supposed to post an article in the comment section.
You're not supposed to post someone else's article either.
You're not supposed to post lies. -This article is full of them.

If we catch you posting someone else's article again OR posting even ONE more lie, we'll delete your identity and annul your membership. This is the first & last warning that you'll get.
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World Nut Daily, oh boy, now there is a reliable source, LOL. Just about as reliable as getting your information directly from the Israeli Mossad's psyops and propaganda section, LOL. Because in reality if you follow the trashy prozionazi articles in World Nut Daily that is all it is, a propaganda front for the Mossad.

Don't give me that BS about Joe Farrah being an Arab either because the Mossad has plenty of Arabs on their payroll and Farrah is just one more.

If you want to read a rabid zionazi rag then by all means read World Nut Daily. Another trashy zionazi rag is Newsmax, or as I call it JewsMax.

Compared to these 2 zionazi propaganda outlets Jew Watch is a stellar example of objective journalism.
Permalink 05/16/08 @ 04:00
Comment from: GodSend [Member] · http://novalight.org
Israel's Zionist leaders should just give Palestine back to the Palestinians and look for another 'Homeland' - perhaps in Patagonia? They could buy it with the $3-$30 Billion installments of annual American aid. Maybe they can dredge up the $Trillions of Pentagon dollars that Rabbi Dov Zakheim diverted to somewhere?! Perhaps they can convince Bill Gates to donate a few of his $Billions to the cause? And just think - Bush will be their adoring neighbor! ;)

PS They could put Rafi Eitan in charge of paying 'Wiedergutmachen' $$$ to the Palestinians! :)
Permalink 05/16/08 @ 11:24

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