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01/31/08

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Life in Occupied Gaza

Stephen Lendman

Life in occupied Gaza was never easy, but conditions worsened markedly after Hamas' surprise January 2006 electoral victory. Israel refused recognition along with the US and the West. All outside aid was cut off, an economic embargo and sanctions were imposed, and the legitimate government was isolated. Stepped up repression followed along with repeated IDF incursions, attacks and arrests. Gaza's people have been imprisoned in their own land and traumatized for months. No one outside the Territories cares or offers enough aid. Things then got worse.

Palestinian Authority (PA) President Mahmoud Abbas, in league with Israel and the US, declared a "state of emergency last June 14 and illegally dismissed Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh and his national unity government. On June 15, he appointed former IMF and World Bank official Salam Fayyad prime minister even though his party got only 2% of the votes in the 2006 election. On June 17, Abbas swore in a new (illegitimate) 13 member "emergency" cabinet with plans for future elections, excluding Hamas.

Israel and the US showed gratitude. The West Bank embargo ended, Israel began releasing frozen Palestinian tax funds, and the US and European Union (EU) resumed aid to the PA but continued isolating Hamas in Gaza that since 1995 has been designated a terrorist organization. After passage of the 1996 Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act, the State Department included Hamas among the first 30 groups designated Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTOs) in October 1997. It makes it illegal to provide funds or other material support. It also ignores how Israel once embraced Hamas in the 1980s.

It's name means courage and bravery, and it's also an abbreviation of Islamic Resistance Movement in Arabic. It grew out of the Muslim Brotherhood (that had roots in Egypt) and was formed in 1987 during the first Intifada. At the time, Israel offered support and used Hamas to counter the PLO's nationalist threat under Arafat. Ever since, it's been an effective resistance movement against repression, occupation and much more. It provides essential social services like medical clinics; education, including centers for women; free meals for children; financial and technical help to Palestinians whose homes Israel destroyed; aid to refugees in the camps; and youth and sports clubs for young people.

Hamas is also a formidable defender, and that gets it in trouble. It established the Izz Al-Din Al-Qassam Brigades, an elite military wing, and other security forces like its Tanfithya Executive Force for self-defense and law enforcement. Washington and Tel Aviv call it "terrorism" because Hamas wants the occupation ended, won't surrender its sovereignty like Fatah did under Arafat and Abbas, is willing to recognize Israel (though that's never reported), but only if Palestinians get equal recognition and what's rightfully theirs - an independent homeland inside pre-1967 borders or one "state for all its citizens," Jews, Muslims, Christians, Druze and others.

Instead, Hamas got isolated, hammered and called a "hostile entity" by Israel's security cabinet. It was announced on September 19, sanctions on Gaza were tightened, and it was decided to "reduce the amount of megawattage provide(d) to the Strip, and Hamas will have to decide whether to provide electricity to hospitals or weapons lathes." There was more as well - cutbacks in fuel, food, other essentials and even tighter border crossing restrictions.

Even before the latest crisis, Gaza was devastated. Its industrial production was down 90%, and its agricultural output was half its pre-2007 level. In addition, nearly all construction stopped, unemployment and poverty topped 80%, and by now it may be 90%. After September 19, it got worse when shops began running out of everything. Israel allows in only nine basic materials, their availability is spotty, and some essentials are banned, like certain medicines, and others restricted like fruit, milk and other dairy products. Before June 2007, 9000 commodities could be imported. Today, it's down to 20, people don't get enough food, and the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) was unusually blunt in its criticism. In a November 2007 report called "Dignity Denied in the Occupied Palestinian Territories," it said:

"....Palestinians....face hardship (in) their (daily) lives; they are prevented from doing what makes up the daily fabric of most people's existence. (They) face a deep human crisis, where millions of people are denied their human dignity. Not once in a while, but every day (and the people of Gaza are) trapped (and) sealed off." The "humanitarian cost (is) enormous," people can barely survive, "families unable to get enough food increased by 14%, (and) Palestinians (are) being trampled underfoot day after day. (In) Gaza (under siege, Palestinians) continue to pay for conflict and economic containment with their health and livelihoods. Cutting power and fuel further compounds their hardship."

Let 'em eat cake, walk, and live without light or heat is apparently Israel's solution, and noted Israeli historian, Ilan Pappe, took note. He calls it "genocide....to describe what the Israeli army is doing in the Gaza Strip." Knowing the facts, who can disagree.

Then there's the matter of energy. With electricity restricted and fuel supplies reduced, Israel went further. It sealed its borders and cut all fuel shipments in response to Palestinian rocket attacks in and around the border town of Sderot. They're fired in self-defense and used in response to repeated Israeli attacks that in the week of January 17 - 23 alone:

-- killed 19 Palestinians along with three others from previous IDF-inflicted wounds;

-- extra-judicially executed seven of the victims, including two women;

-- wounded 71 Palestinians, including 24 children and three women;

-- made 33 IDF incursions in the West Bank and five in Gaza;

-- arrested 58 Palestinian civilians, including seven children, in the West Bank, and 32 in Gaza, including 3 children;

-- destroyed five homes and razed agricultural land in Jabalya in northern Gaza;

-- allowed further settler attacks against civilians and property in Hebron.

The same pattern continued the following week through Janauary 30 with more Israeli incursions, attacks and arrests. In the West Bank:

-- Nablus was targeted and several Palestinian civilians arrested; several homes were also searched and ransacked in the villages of Kufer Kalil, Beit Dajan and Beit Fourik;

-- the IDF seized six Palestinians in Jenin in a pre-dawn invasion; another followed theire several days later, the Israeli army opened fire randomly, one civilian was injured, four others arrested and a home was ransacked; several civilian homes were attacked and ransacked in the town of Qabatiya and village of Abu Da'eif in the northern West Bank; local sources reported unprovoked random gunfire by heavily armed troops in civilian neighborhoods;

-- the IDF invaded Bethlehem, killed one civilian, arrested another, and injured seven others; eyewitnesses reported that local journalists were prevented from witnessing and documenting the incursion;

-- several other West Bank cities were targeted and six civilians arrested: the Al Toor neighborhood in northern Jerusalem; the village of Beit Rima near Ramallah; Tulkarem city and the nearby Nur Shams refugee camp; and Jenin city.

These are malicious acts of aggression, abductions and wanton killing. Mostly civilians are targeted, and when Palestinians respond with crude Qassam rockets and children throw rocks, it's called "terrorism." Israel's response - fiercer attacks and incursions in the Territories on any pretext or none at all and further tightening of its medieval siege on Gaza.

Its border crossings have been closed since June 2007, and severe restrictions were imposed on movement. Finally, food and fuel supplies were cut. Gaza's power plant exhausted its supply, shut down, and the Strip went dark on January 20. Israel remained defiant, and Prime Minister Olmert announced...."as far as I am concerned, every resident of Gaza can walk because they have no gasoline for their vehicles," and Foreign Ministry spokesman, Arye Meckel, told AP the blackout was "a Hamas ploy to pretend there is some kind of crisis to attract international sympathy."

The Director of Gaza's main Shiffa hospital, Dr. Hassan Khalaf, had a different view. He described the situation as "potentially disastrous." Already Israel's siege was directly responsible for 45 deaths, and he said cutting hospital power would cause 30 premature babies to die immediately. The World Health Organization was also alarmed. It said insufficient electricity "disrupt(s)....intensive care units, operating theatres, and emergency rooms (and) power shortages have interrupted refrigeration of perishable medical supplies, including vaccine."

To operate at full capacity, Gaza needs 230 - 250 daily megawatts of electricity. Its only power plant supplies around 30% of it, but people in central Gaza and Gaza city are totally dependent on what can't be supplied if industrial diesel fuel the plant depends on is cut off. The result is critically ill people are endangered, bread and other baked goods can't be produced without electricity to power ovens, food is already in short supply, so is fresh water, and sanitation conditions are disastrous.

Michele Mercier of the International Red Cross said hospital medications were running out and wouldn't "last for more than two or three days." In addition, allowable food shipments are endangered according to UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) spokesman, Christopher Gunness. He explained that the agency would have to suspend distribution to 860,000 people because of a fuel and plastic bags shortage.

Israel was unapologetic with Internal Security Minister, Avi Dichter, saying the IDF must "eliminate the rocket fire from Gaza, irrespective of the cost to Palestinians." Defense Minister, Ehud Barak, added: "We are impacting the overall quality of life in Gaza and destroying the terror infrastructure." He meant civilians as did Ehud Olmert claiming: "We are trying to hit only those involved in terrorism, but also signaling to the population in Gaza that it cannot be free from responsibility for the situation."

Israel makes no distinction between civilians (including women and children) and resistance fighters, and B'Tselem stated that Yuval Diskin, head of the Israel Security Agency (ISA), "defines every Palestinian killed in the Gaza Strip as a terrorist," including small children and the elderly infirm. The world approves, the Security Council debates and abstains, the dominant media is silent, and innocent Palestinians suffer and die - over 75 killed in January and several hundred injured. Who cares and who's counting. They're just Arab Muslims.

They're also needy human beings, now desperate, and on January 23 they responded courageously. No help is coming so Hamas acted preemptively. It destroyed 200 meters of metal barrier separating both sides of Rafah that was divided in 1982 as part of Israel's peace treaty with Egypt. About 40,000 people live in Egypt and another 200,000 in Gaza in the original town and an adjacent refugee camp. Until the outbreak of the second Intifada in September, 2000, crossing both ways was uncomplicated. That ended as violence increased, and Israel erected a barrier. Now it's breached, Gazans took advantage, and some called it a "jail break." Hundreds of thousands entered Egypt for needed essentials unavailable at home. Finally, the media noticed.

On January 24, The New York Times tried to have it both ways. It called Hamas' border breach "an act of defiance" and continued indifferently. Unmindful of an 18 month siege, mass impoverishment, a humanitarian crisis and daily killings, correspondent Steven Erlanger made things seem festive in his report. Almost flippantly he said "Tens of thousands of Palestinians.... crossed the border for a 'buying spree' of medicine, cement, sheep....gasoline, soap and countless other supplies that have been cut off."

Most Gazans can barely afford food and essentials and struggle daily to survive. Yet, Erlanger said they stocked up on "Coca-Cola, Cleopatra and Malimbo cigarettes, and satellite dishes" and on January 25 added "televisions (and) washing machines." It was a party, "Egyptian merchants greeted them with a 'cornucopia of consumer goods," and Hamas joined the festivities by "mak(ing no) visible effort to control or tax" purchases. Those who could afford it indeed took advantage. Merchants bought items for resale at lower Egyptian prices. Most Palestinians, however, bought essentials - food, fuel, medicine if available and various household items.

Earlier on January 21, Israel relented to international pressure and a PR disaster impossible to ignore. Haaretz highlighted it in a January 26 editorial headlined "The siege of Gaza has failed." Hamas ended it "via a well-planned operation and simultaneously won the sympathy of the world, which has forgotten the rain of Qassam rockets on Sderot, (and Israel looks foolish) entrenching itself in positions that look outdated." Only a week ago, the government was crowing. Triumphantly, it claimed its policy was "bearing fruit."

Today, it's all bitter with Olmert in denial. In a speech at the January Herzliya Conference, he said: "Mistakes were made; there were failures. But in addition, lessons were learned, mistakes were corrected, modes of behavior were changed, and above all, the decisions we have made since then have led to greater security, greater calm and greater deterrence than there had been for many years." Haaretz had another view, and it was harsh. It stated events in Gaza "completely (contradict) his statements. If that is what learning lessons looks like, if that is what deterrence means, the Olmert government has precious little to boast about." So it acted.

AP reported on January 21 that authorities "agreed today to ship diesel fuel and medicine into Gaza on a one-time basis," easing its blockade, but it wouldn't continue unless rocket firings stopped. Everything then changed on January 27.

Aljazeera, The New York Times, Haaretz and other sources reported that the Olmert government relented. It agreed to resume fuel shipments to Gaza, easing its blockade. The decision came on the same day Israel's Supreme Court addressed the petition of 10 human rights organizations to order a resumption and prevent a humanitarian disaster. No decision was rendered, but state authorities acted anyway.

They agreed to supply 2.2 million weekly liters of industrial diesel fuel, the minimum amount needed to power central Gaza and Gaza City, but it's not enough overall according to Rafiq Maliha, the project manager at An-Nuseirat's power plant location. It's only two-thirds the amount needed, a mere fraction was delivered the first day, and Maliha said Gaza's gas companies would strike and resist this "Israeli plot" masquerading as humanitarian aid. His doubts are well-founded. On the same day fuel shipments resumed, Israeli warplanes struck northern Gaza in two separate raids. Hamas sources said two missiles hit a Palestinian car and others targeted a Hamas' Al-Qassam Brigades position causing four injuries.

Human rights groups are also dismissive. They noted previous promises made, then broken, and the GISHA group (the Israeli NGO for freedom of Palestinian movement in the Territories) spokesperson said that Israel "repeatedly promised that it would ship 2.2 million litres (of fuel) a week into Gaza and has repeatedly broken that promise." Why believe authorities now, and with events so fluid it seems every day, a new policy.

At the same time, Hamas and Egyptian security forces are cooperating to close the border eight days after it was breached. On January 28, Haaretz reported that openings were being sealed by barbed wire, but not entirely as some two-way traffic continues as of January 30. Hamas and Egyptian forces now man the main Salah Eddin gate, most cars and trucks aren't passing through, but pedestrians still in Egypt "scoured (nearly) empty stores for food and consumer products to take back to the Gaza Strip....in fear of an imminent border reclosing."

What's next is anyone's guess, but Israel's Supreme Court will affect it. On January 30, it upheld the government's Gaza sanctions and its right to restrict fuel and electricity. In its statement, the three-judge panel left no doubt where it stands. It wrote:

"We emphasize that the Gaza Strip is controlled by a 'murderous terror group' that operates incessantly to strike the state of Israel and its citizens, and violates every precept of international law with its violent actions." Israel, nonetheless, will supply enough fuel and electricity to "fulfill the vital humanitarian needs of the Gaza Strip at this time."

Israeli human rights petitioners were quick to respond, and their message was clear and harsh. For its part, the Adalah Legal Center for Arab Minority Rights called the ruling a "dangerous legal precedent that allows Israel to continue to violate the rights of Gaza residents and deprive them of basic humanitarian needs in violation of international law." Hamas spokesperson, Fawzi Barhoum, was equally pointed. He added: The High Court's decision "reflects the criminal, ugly face of the occupation."

Things are now back to square one, Israel's siege has been sanctified, and an unworkable 2005 security arrangement remains in place. Hamas wants it replaced with a new one and demands justice for Gaza's 1.5 million people. Its main objection is Israel controls all movement and monitors it with cameras and computers to track everyone entering and leaving Gaza. On January 27, Hamas leader, Ismail Haniyeh, said: 'We don't accept a continued Israeli veto on the movement, the exit and entry through Rafah." It's time for a new system.

Getting one is another matter, according to Israeli officials. They commented on January 28 saying "Israel will not allow the continuation of the current state where its security interests are being compromised," and Olmert and Abbas met on January 27 to discuss it. Initial reports were that Israel wanted Egypt to control the border, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak wants Abbas to do it, he, in turn, agrees to anything Olmert and George Bush want, and they at first rejected putting Abbas in charge, but that's now changed according to Haaretz.

On January 29, it reported "Israel does not plan to block....Abbas from assuming control of Gaza's border crossing with Egypt (if Cairo agrees)." Abbas, in turn, says it does as well as the EU, Arab League and Condoleezza Rice. Hamas reacted angrily through its spokesperson, Sami Abu-Zuhri. He called the plan an "Israeli-led international conspiracy (against the legitimate government) with the participation of some regional parties. We tell all parties that we will not allow the return of old conditions at the crossing."

So the beat goes on. Nothing has changed, and unconsidered is what Palestinians want, need and deserve. After decades of abuse, forces they can't control continue buffeting them, yet they persist and endure.

Now there's the latest crisis, and consider Haaretz's January 27 report. It was after Olmert and Abbas met "for a two-hour tete-a-tete....in Jerusalem" at which Olmert again made promises. He said Israel wouldn't let a humanitarian crisis develop in Gaza, when, in fact, one has existed for months, his government caused it, and it's accompanied by daily attacks, killings, arrests and a vast array of human rights abuses against an isolated population barely hanging on.

On January 23, various Palestinian factions met in Damascus with plenty to say. With little hope of being heeded, they called on Abbas to end the "ridiculous" negotiations he insists must continue with Olmert. Among those attending were Khaled Meshaal of Hamas and Ramadan Shallah of Islamic Jihad. Their message was strong: "I want to ask our brothers in Ramallah (Fatah headquarters), what exactly are you waiting for?" While you're talking, Palestinians in "the biggest prison in history (are) being massacred."

Even Abbas supporters are dubious, and Palestinian writer, Hani Al-Masri, expressed their view: "It doesn't make sense for negotiations to continue while Israel is changing facts on the ground and undermining the chances for a just and acceptable solution." The Arab League also responded, but not with teeth. It denounced Israel's siege, but does nothing to end it. That's Hamas' view with Khaled Meshaal saying the League could force change but instead prefers words, meetings, resolutions and more meetings in Arab capitals.

Still more are planned. Cairo is involved. So are the Saudis, but most of all Washington and Tel Aviv. They control everything and will decide what's next with one thing assured. Gazans are isolated, locked in the Territory, children and the elderly are dying, so are the sick without medical care, daily attacks kill others, and no end is in sight.

The plight of Palestinians won't change as things continue lurching from one crisis to another the way they have for decades. It won't end until world leaders buckle to growing world sentiment that no longer will injustices this grave be tolerated. How much more suffering must be endured, how many more deaths are acceptable, when will justice finally be served? People of conscience want answers. It's about time they got them.

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january 31, 2008 Stephen Lendman lives in Chicago and can be reached at lendmanstephen@sbcglobal.net. Also visit his blog site at sj.lendman.blogspot.com and listen each Saturday to the Steve Lendman News and Information Hour on TheMicroEffect.com Saturdays at noon US central time.

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Comment from: jgarbuz [Member]
Hamas may be an Arabic acronym standing for courage and bravery, but in Hebrew, the word Khamas literally means "violence." How ironic. Mr. Lendman appears to be another member of that HUGE army of left wing Jewish renegades from the "blame Israel first" crowd. It's the counterpart of the "blame America" first crowd here in the US. The fact is, a state of war, of which Hamas is the most forthright proponent, exists because that is what Hamas wants. And Hamas was brought into power by the Palestinian electorate in Gaza. When the German electorate brought Hitler to power in 1933, because of their frustrations, little did they know that a dozen years later, Germany would lie in ruins, with 8.5 million Germans dead. This is the price a society pays for bringing "the brave and courageous" who preach war and violence into power. The common people pay the price.

There is a way out, and that is recognition of Israel's right to exist, and negotiating a peaceful, independent Palestinian state living cooperatively alongside it. But that is not what Hamas wants, and it is willing and prepared to sacrifice the lives and well being of every last Gazan rather than go the route that they choose to call "surrender." It is they, and not Israel, who should be blamed for this sorry state of affairs.
Permalink 01/31/08 @ 14:20
Comment from: rj [Member]
What a topsy-turvy world you're living in, jgarbuz! You seem to forget that it is the inherently violent Zionist statelet that stands for 95% of the aggression -the savagery and brutality that now characterizes this region. It wasn’t always like that. The Palestinians used to live there peacefully until that Zionists came there and started their criminal land grab. Do you sincerely expect a people to just sit and do nothing when a foreign, motley bunch of settlers come to steal their land? You must be out of your mind! -And then this worn out Mr. Hitler! If anything, it's the Zionists who more than anyone else resemble him and have put into practice his insane talk about "Lebensraum". It's the Zionists who are stealing land big time and are killing an unseemly number of human beings ("Arabs") in order to attain their loony goal: "Eretz Yisrael".

Yes, there IS a way out: the recognition of Palestine's right to exist. Israel has absolutely no right to exist! "Israel" is just a figment of insane people's political imagination. -Now, how much more innocent blood are you Zionists willing to waste on the alter of this IMPOSSIBLE dream? Before you have finished, you will have surpassed Herr Hitler. Mark my words!
rj
Permalink 01/31/08 @ 15:13
Comment from: jameslakes [Member]
Unfortunately, rj fails to offer any direction. His way towards peace, and here he and Hamas agree, is that the Israeli's should just pack up their belongings, get on some ships going somewhere, shut the lights and leave the keys under the mats for the returning Palestinians.

The very sad part of Mr. Lendman's essay, is that his litany of all the suffering is accurate, but at this point, nobody cares. The endless essays like this one, portraying the daily suffering in Gaza really serves no purpose and I repeat, the world is no longer listening. Eqypt, Saudi Arabia, the rich Gulf States, and the rest of the Muslim world cannot support Hamas; they have abandoned the Palestinians. The only ones paying attention are the other members of the 'Kill the Jews' chorus.

When will this change? With attitudes like rj's and Mr. Lendman, it cannot change.

The Palestinians absolutely hate the adage from the late Abba Eben: "the Palestinians never lost an opportunity to lose an opportunity." The day after the election of Hamas they again turned that adage into a truism.

Instead of turning their face to the world and declaring they wanted to find a way to leave in peace, co-exist with an Israeli state, they started lobbing rockets and kidnapped an Israeli soldier from the Israeli side of the border. Good bye opportunity.

Permalink 01/31/08 @ 23:27
Comment from: rj [Member]
jameslakes,
I DO offer a direction! -RECOGNIZE PALESTINE! There’s not necessarily any need for “Israeli’s” [sic] to “pack up” and leave. I never said there was. -And the exiled Palestinians DO have a right to return to their homeland!

You are also being very arrogant in pretending to speak for us all (“nobody cares”, “the world is no longer listening”). Speak for yourself! Do you care? Do you listen? Well, do you? The “[k]ill the Jews' chorus” –this is just another sick idea in a tribalistic mindset, and the psychological mechanism is obvious: projection.

With regards to the “attitudes like rj's and Mr. Lendman”, Mr. Lendman is able to answer for himself. For my part, I would like to say that my attitude is based on a universalistic point of view in ethical matters. Yours, James, seems to be based on a tribalistic attitude.

This is a fundamental conflict that goes way back in time, and may have been with us all since well before Jesus revolted against the Pharisees. “Do unto others..” is based on a universalistic mindset and solutions, political and otherwise, have to be balanced in a way that take into account how they will pan out for all people. The tribalistic mindset does the opposite of this. It accepts, even works hard to obtain, rules & regulations, power & positions that will only benefit itself. -At the expense of others. It sees itself and the rest of the tribe a unique, as “chosen”, as superior than the rest of humanity. This mindset opportunistically takes onboard thinking like “the end justifies the means” and settles for ‘power’ instead of ‘justice’. Logic (i.e. some ethical consistency) goes by the window as well. If some katushas & Qassam wreaking little or no damage, much less havoc, are bad (and seen in isolation, they are), then you should also admit that the enormous amount of death & destruction that the Zionist statelet has caused in both Palestine and Lebanon also is wrong and immoral. But you don’t do this. You simply bypass this question, ignoring it completely. Here's why: The real reason why Israel does this is "Eretz Yisrael". It has NOTHING to do with Qassams etc. Because of your tribal loyalty and identity you keep quiet about the real reason and the real cause of these problems. To a warped mindset such as yours, blaming the victim comes natural.

Coming back to the centuries old conflict again, the end result of these cultural and psychological processes is that tribalists develop into functional psychopaths. From their point of view, they are under no obligation to adhere to general and universal ethical norms. They feel no guilt or shame, and consider “others” to be fools that have only themselves to thank if they come out on the short end.

This is precisely the attitude that I see reflected in both your comment and in jgarbuz’. You don’t seem to care one whit about the destruction and misery that the Zionists are causing. You even seem to take delight in it. But whereas “jgarbuz” stands forth as a straight, ordinary Zionist, unabashed, and proud of it, you, James, come across as a crypto-Zionist, more typical of the Pharisees that Jesus had problems with.

Your last paragraph is almost amusing –I mean, the Freudian slip: Instead of “turning their face to the world” and finding “a way to leave in peace”, “they started lobbing rockets” etc., etc. Here you are saying "leave" instead of 'live'. -For "them" to leave, this is what you, as the hypocrite & crypto that you are, plus all the other Zionists, really want, isn’t it? I mean, really, in your cold heart of hearts? –This is the "opportunity" that you have in mind. Not peace. Heavens, no! It’s all of the land PLUS the silence of the vanquished you’re after. Well, you modern day Pharisee(s), you can’t have it both ways. -You can’t have your cake and eat it!
Permalink 02/01/08 @ 02:06
Comment from: jameslakes [Member]

My position in writing these posts is to ask the question and wait for various answers. That question has always been, 'What can be done to move the Palestinian and Israeli positions toward ending the violence and suffering; and create a platform to live in the same neighborhood'?

Unfortunately, I don't think the answer is in the conclusions reached by rj. As too many of the other participants in the discussion do, he reaches back into some period of history that is convenient to him and weaves theories to 'prove' his point. So we have quotes and snapshots of the time of Jesus, references to Freud (Thank you Dr. rj for analyzing a typo), sociological explanations of a tribalist; along with the personal attacks claiming to know exactly why I, and others write.


It is apparent that rj is well read, well educated in this area and does not hesitate to lash out at those that cannot immediately share the clarity he has when looking at the problem. However, the strength of his position is for me, his greatest weakness. I also see this weakness on both sides of the issue. "OUR suffering by THEIR hand, over a long period of time, (with historical references included), have proven OUR quest is just." You cannot have any movement towards a compromise if you are unwilling to even recognize the legitimacy of the other side.

A final word. The world really does not care. I say this because other than downtown Tehran, Caracas and Havana; they just have ignored Gaza. Other than the 'people's voice' and its regular contributors, nobody else cares. What I want rj to understand is that the reason they don't care has nothing to do with not knowing what is going on. The news of the suffering is Gaza is all over the media, people know of Gaza. Understand that until Hamas joins the world community in recognizing the right of a United Nations country to exist, the rest of the world will continue to ignore them.
rj saying the answer is 'recognize Palestine' is not helpful to the discussion. In fact, I shudder to hit the 'send comment' button because I know rj will return in form; personal attacks and ignoring the overall message of my post in order to focus on some minor point or typo.

Oh well here goes....








Permalink 02/01/08 @ 05:44
Comment from: tb [Member]
jameslakes;
Do you mean to present yourself as an impartial observer just asking a question ? Your approach is always biased, and you do not even relate to the answers you get, because you consider them the "wrong" answers. You present yourself as already knowing what is right, what the Palestinians must do, what the world is interested in ..... and you tell us about it, smugly, like a conceited teacher. Your question does not not come across as honest.

For myself, I AM interested in what is happening in Palestine, and I am not a member of the "'Kill the Jews' chorus". The suffering matters, it is real, and must be recognised and talked about by all people of good will, even it the established powers "are not interested" (which I think is inncorect, too - even Mr Bush says he wants peace by the end of 2008). It is very clear to me that the israelis are the ones that are in a position to do something, to change, to improve the situation. They are causing most of the pain, and they can stop doing it. It seems quite simple to me.

PS. If you want constructive suggestions, you can read the post "All power to Hamas ..." by Sami Moubayed, posted today (1. Feb.). But you will probably just feel that this is a "wrong answer", too...


Permalink 02/01/08 @ 09:38
Comment from: rj [Member]
jameslakes,

I have bad news for you. I'm not letting up. Your confused answer, clearly revealing the usual muddled thinking, leaves me with no option other than this one:

Ad: My position -No, this is not what you do ("to ask the question and wait for various answers"). You have been asking precious few questions and have offered a lot of statements & opinions. My own questions you studiously ignore. (“Do you care? Do you listen?”). -Well, I don’t think you care and I don’t think you listen very well. I already have answered your question: RECOGNIZE PALESTINE! -But you don’t want to listen. I’m afraid you don’t understand very much either. The positive driving force that could be set in motion by such a recognition seems to be completely beyond your limited ability to understand.

Ad: Unfortunately -In this part of your comment your are being particularly dishonest. I did reach back into “some period of history”, yes, but only to put in place a background for the timeless ethical injunction “Do unto others…”. This principle in inclusive and universal. This seems to have escaped you completely. The Zionists, on the other hand, are constantly basing their putative right to the land they call “Israel” on a claim that dates back to ancient times. This “principle”, if we can call it that, is exclusive and tribalistic. We are not talking about “quotes” and “snapshots” here, but about fundamental ideas and principles for a peaceful co-existence between people and peoples –which you profess to be interested in. –Well, I don’t think that you are. You are not being sincere about this. And again, the reason is “Eretz Yisrael”.

You may dismiss what I said about your Freudian slip (as a typo), but, you are missing the point. It was a typo. Of course it was! But this is the point: it was a significant typo. -You are not only being insincere, but superficial too.

Ad: It is apparent that -Of course you “cannot have any movement towards a compromise if you are unwilling to even recognize the legitimacy of the other side”. But this is my very point! -The Zionist position does not recognize the Palestinians at all. Some Zios have even suggested that there are no Palestinians.

Ad: A final word -The world does care. More and more so. Many people, however, know very little about what’s going on. The extensive, far-reaching and very large-scale Zionist propaganda operation (Hasbara etc.) is proof of the fact that the Zios and their friends attach great importance to public opinion. I suspect that you’re just saying this to spread dejectedness and despondency. If this is true, then you must be a very wicked person. The “until Hamas joins the world community” bit would indicate a streak of meanness too. –The world’s 4th strongest military power is pounding hapless civilians in Palestine (Gaza) day & night, killing & terrorizing thousands, and here you want these destitute men, women & children to recognize “Israel?” Why can’t you bring yourself to see the absurdity of this? And why is “recogniz[ing] the legitimacy of the other side” always to be a one-way street?

“Israel” is a criminal and illegitimate enterprise that doesn’t care one whit about UN and the international community. This malevolent statelet has disrespected over 60 UN resolutions since its fateful and & ill-starred inception. Let’s drop being coy about the facts here: the UN was hounded by the US into accepting the creation of “Israel”. This was a terrible mistake by any standard. All the cruelty that “Israel” has committed since testify to that. Why can’t you bring yourself to admit it? Are you too intoxicated by your self-image as a “realist” for that? -Or is it "Eretz Yisrael" again?

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Comment from: Editor [Member]
I am just an American. I don’t fully appreciate what it is like to live in a huge walled encampment where people blow themselves and others up out of shear frustration and hopelessness. I can’t possibly know what it would be like to live in a world where soldiers shoot children in the head for fun and always call it an accident.

Here is what I do know. Telling the American people about it can stop it. Knowledge and truth are like sunlight to the Zionist vampire. We will tell as many American as we can about the illegal occupier state called Israel. We will tell the world what murderous racists they are and how they drove millions from their land and mass murdered them. If we tell enough people about this it will cause an awakening, like the hundredth monkey effect.

We very much want it to become exponentially difficult for the schemes of murderers and megalomaniacs to move forward. If too many people know the truth the billions of dollars in tribute paid by America to Israel will stop. Then it will be necessary for Israel to bleed their new friend Canada, for the money they need to militarily dominate the Middle East.

Genocide and theft and war are always wrong whether carried out by beloved America or beloved Israel. Israel is and has always been a brutal occupier state built on war and death just like America. America succeeded in committing genocide and so silenced it’s American Indian critics for all time. Israel is in the process of committing the genocidal slaughter of the Palestinian people with America’s financial help.

If you believe that the Palestinians and the Iraqis will ever accept mass murder and theft of land and resources, you are living in a fantasy. The mass killing by both America and Israel will never be acceptable. Invader occupier states are like a cancer on the earth. The survivors of their campaigns of war and greed, those that you call terrorists, are increasing in numbers and will always resist since their only other choice is to be killed.

Humanity is waking up to the truth about America and Israel and support is falling away. Perhaps America will financially collapse and the nightmare for the world called Israel will also collapse.
Permalink 02/01/08 @ 13:14
Comment from: jameslakes [Member]
Thank you JR for your kind words.

After a few requests for you to define 'recognizing Palestine' you clearly gave it in your last post. "The creation of Israel was a terrible mistake by any standard."
All of your previous posts now make more sense to me.

Most people, ooops, I said that again...I really dont know if most people in the world agree with this, I am just guessing ..however, I THINK, most people of the world would agree with this statement:

A bad peace is better than a good war.

That has always been my position and attempts to paint me as really wishing something else are not accurate.

I don't want the status quo, yet I see we cannot go back to a specific date (in this case 1948 and the creation of Israel)and get a 'do over'.

I admit right here that all your arguments are wonderful, all your historical references are right on the money and all your analysis of me personally, are 100% accurate. You are smarter than anyone I have ever met in my life and I stand in awe of your intellectual capacity to understand better than anyone else what everyone's true motivations are.

Your way, the path you describe, is dark, dangerous and full of death. The very people you want to help will only continue to be condemned by it.

The energy of the anger you have always displayed in your writings, should be used as a powerful force for brightness and life for the Palestinians.

Hopefully, you will come to understand the concept of 'compromise'. It is difficult. You have maintained your position so long that it has become a word that you probably associate with 'defeat'. If your position is so pure, and your cause is so just, and your vision so clear; then I understand that 'compromise' would be an acceptance of something less than the ideal you have sustained. However, a bad peace is better than a good war.

Light not darkness, rj.








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