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02/16/07

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They've sent Helbig after me

Felicity Arbuthnot

From Ecologist Online

Roger Helbig, a man with an unhealthy obsession: he believes that depleted uranium (DU) waste from the nuclear fuel cycle, which is used in munitions and bullets – is safe.

I received an unsolicited email from him, entitled ‘The Real Doug Rokke’ in response to an article I had written for The Brussels Tribunal. It read: ‘I see that you have been taken in by Doug Rokke, who really does not know much about anything, let alone depleted uranium. It is sad that a Phd has so little real knowledge. I also see you claim to be a journalist. What newspapers, radio stations or TV stations have you actually worked for, or are you like Bob Nichols, a self-described journalist with no actual journalistic experience?’

His tirade continued: ‘Rokke’s military records and part of his PhD thesis are attached. You will note he has no real expertise in depleted uranium and his claims about the Middle East are pure fantasy, yet you inflame the Arab street with them. You ought to learn more about what is before telling the world all about it.’

I had written in the article: ‘Depleted uranium from shells fired by British and American forces during the Balkan wars has found its way into the food chain and has been detected amongst the civilian populations of Kosovo and Bosnia. A study of the local population in three locations in the two Balkan regions has found samples of the highly radioactive particles in the urine of all those tested.’

Helbig had highlighted the excerpt, commenting: ‘This is pure bullshit and you know it. Where are the actual test results? I presume you don’t choose to read the United Nations Environmental Programme report – it is only about 300 pages, well documented instead of scientific myth!’

Lieutenant Colonel Roger Helbig, USAF, Rtd (it appears) is one of a small Pentagon-inspired group devoted to denigrating and undermining the efforts of those drawing attention to the dangers of DU, which three UN Sub-Committees have designated a weapon of mass destruction. Rokke is just the latest in a long line of Helbig targets. Journalist Bob Nichols, Project Censored award winner for his DU coverage, writes, ‘Individuals on web sites throughout the United States have complained about the abusive and aggressive actions of an Air Force Lieut. Colonel named Roger Helbig’.

David Lindorff, another award winner and the (UK) Observer’s David Rose, have also suffered a barage of abuse for stories exposing the dangers of DU, which poisons the environment, thus entire food chain regionally where used, for four-and-a-half billion years.

Nichols cites Helbig ‘attacking hundreds of sites and harrassing web moderators.’ Informative DU sites (such as www.Pandoraproject@yahoogroups.com and www.notinkansas.us – the latter’s meticulously researched alerts included the chilling warning of US military in Iraq reagrding bathing in shower water taken from Tigris river: ‘GI’s Beware Radioactive Showers’) are also victims. Researcher, John Ervin, posted on www.apfn.net: ‘They’ve already sent Lt. Colonel Roger Helbig after me.’

Leuren Moret, President of Scientists for Indigenous Peoples and City of Berkeley (Ca) Environmental Commissioner states: ‘Helbig has been harassing me nonstop for two to three years.’ Moret travels the world warning on the dangers of DU, working with a group of independent scientists (www.radiation.org) and submitted a paper on DU to a UN Sub-Committee, one of the ones which led to DUs designation as a weapon of mass destruction.

The picture Helbig paints of his latest target Rokke is unrecognisable from the truth. Major (Dr) Doug Rokke, Former Director of the US Army Depleted Uranium Project (www.traprockpeace.org), principal author of the Pentagon regulations and procedural guidelines (US Army Regulation 700-48 And US Army PAM 700-48) on the dangers and handling of DU affected areas: tanks, structures, terrain, equipment and personnel, civilian and military.

Rokke, whose team led the (impossible) clean up in Kuwait in 1991 after the first Gulf War, was so horrified by what he found, he finally spoke out – at cost. Sick from DU poisoning himself, he has suffered ongoing ‘physical, psychological and economic threats’ from Helbig and other US government representatives since.

Rokke has crucial, credible, hands-on knowledge, thus, writes David Lindorff, the effort to discredit him, label him ‘a fraud’, demote him to ‘Lt.’ by Helbig, has been vicious and tenacious.

This is the same Doug Rokke whose Army evaluation report, dated July 30th 1994, cites the then Captain Rokke as being Project Director and primary technical expert and specialist adviser to US Army major commands, the US Army Chemical School and contractors during training, development and test implementation. In 1995 he was cited for a ‘meritorious service’ medal, for work on DU. He left the army when none of his health warning reached the troops.

Rokke and another former Pentagon advisor, Dr Asav Durakovic, whose CV and list of peer reviewed papers runs to 52 pages, Canadian expert Professor Hari Sharma (who wrote to NATO and world leaders of the dangers of DU), Dr Garth Nicholson and others have demanded appropriate testing and treatment of all affected – soldiers and civilians – and rigorous DU clean up, where used or tested ‘as already required by the US Department of Defence regulations...’, states Rokke. The polluter pays. But the cost would be stratospheric; so Helbig’s group stalk the internet to insult and intimidate.

‘The use of uranium munitions is an act of terror,’ Rokke says. In context, the United Kingdom Atomic Energy Authority ‘selfinitiated’ a report for the British government on DU shortly after the 1991 war. If 50 tonnes of the residual DU dust remained, they estimated that there wiuld be in excess of half a million cancer deaths in the region by the year 2000. The Pentagon admits to 325 tonnes remaining and other estimates are as high as 900 tonnes. In 2003 a further two thousand tonne DU burden has been admitted to.

Iraq and the region’s cancers have become a tragedy equalling Chernobyl. Oddly, when the US/UK military allowed the looting of every Iraqi State building, all medical records of this unique war crime was destroyed.

Helbig is excercised by a memo from Los Alamos National Laboratories, New Mexico, from a Lt. Colonel Larson to a Major Ziehman. It is dated the day after the 1991 onslaught on Iraq ended (1st March 1991.) Headed ‘The Effectiveness of Depleted Uranium Penetrators’, it reads: ‘There is a relatively small amount of lethality data for uranium penetrators... The recent war has likely multiplied the DU rounds fired at targets by orders of magnitude...

‘There has been and continues to be a concern regarding the impact of DU on the environment. Therefore, if no one makes a case for the effectiveness of DU on the battlefield, DU rounds may become politically unacceptable and thus, be deleted from the arsenal.’ Thus, ‘we should assure their future existence’ otherwise may stand to lose them. He continues, ‘I believe we should keep this sensitive issue in mind, when, after action, reports are written.’

US tanks damaged by DU rounds in 1991 were taken to a nuclear decontamination plant at Barnwell, North Carolina, reportedly constructed the previous year solely for this purpose. Those beyond decontamination were buried in specially licensed landfill sites.

In June 1995 the US Army Environmental Policy Institute wrote of DU: ‘DU is a radioactive waste and therefore should be deposited in a licensed repository’. The poisoned chalice of breaking the news that Kuwait had been turned in to an unlicensed one, fell to the luckless British Ambassador.

Helbig’s email cites the United Nations Environment Agency Report. There were two UNEP Reports on Balkans contamination. The first was cut – under alleged US/UK pressure – from 72 pages, to two. An impeccable source on the second, to which Helbig refers, stated that in spite of considerable obstacles placed in their way, a list of the most contaminated sites to sample was compiled. On arrival, the multinational forces excluded visits to those sites. As Professor Malcolm Hooper, Emeritus Professor of Medicinal Chemistry at Sunderland University (UK) writes in his article ‘Most Toxic War in Western Military History’, regarding Iraq in 1991: ‘at every level, investigation into illness, birth defects, contamination has been blocked and bedevilled by ... a pervasive myopia which sees lack of evidence as proof.’

Last September, Lieutenant Colonel Helbig, of Richardson, California, was in Court. Complex, inter-connected cases, heard also in June and July, due to resume in December, involve Helbig’s neighbour, Jamahl Feres, of Syrian origin and his Swiss wife Katherine. They allege suffering three years of harrasment including the last year, in which Helbig covered all windows in his house which faced theirs, with Israeli flags. Leuren Moret and Bob Nichol will be witnesses for the Feres’s.

It now transpires that Helbig (whose scorn for on-line journalists and journals is boundless) has posted varying rants on www.inthesetimes.com in the name of ‘Natalie.’ You have been warned.

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Felicity Arbuthnot is a freelance journalist.

© 2007 Felicity Arbuthnot

Comments, Pingbacks:

Comment from: maurysis [Member]
Re: "They've sent Helbig after me". Further examination will show that no one "sent anyone after" anybody. Most information wanting to ban DU munitions contain gross errors conflicting with overwhelming experimental evidence showing nearly zero danger from DU radioactivity and little if any danger from its chemical toxicity. No one has been "sent"; these kinds of exaggerated dangers openly invite rebuttals attempting to correct a massive campaign of frightening misinformation about a fictional threat of DU. DU munitions are very dangerous to tank crewmembers struck by such munitions, but these crewmembers experience no concern for chemical toxicity of DU.
Sincerely,
Maury Siskel
Permalink 02/16/07 @ 16:44
Comment from: Rhotel1 [Member]
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Yet this writer is allowed to slander me. No one sent anyone after her. I monitor postings by people who do not have a clue what they are writing about and I respond, generally direct to them since the groups that they belong to do not permit any form of dissent from their radical views. I got involved in opposing the anti-depleted uranium crusaders because Douglas Rokke and his mouthpiece Bob Nichols decided to slander me all over the world. Since I had a worldwide reputation for avoiding hype and being truthful and have been written about by both Kate Schroeder, who was instrumental in the passage of the British version of the Whistleblower Protection Act by Parliament and by Professor Alford at the University of Maryland who modeled the character Robert Harris after my attempts to safeguard the taxpayers' money and throw a couple of admirals in jail (full title available if you write me at rwhelbig@gmail.com ), my reputation for truthfullness was very important to me and I decided to fight back. I have been doing so ever since by obtaining Rokke's records and exposing him for the fraud that he is (and nearly every writer about the horrors of depleted uranium quotes Doug Rokke -- his military records, PhD in EDUCATION (not Physics and not a Medical Doctor)thesis which has nothing to do with DU, and letter from his superior in Saudi Arabia (no, he never saw combat either, not in the Gulf War anyway, possibly in Vietnam, but only from the viewpoint of being an avionics technician on a B-52 dropping bombs on the Viet Cong which had no SAMs to shoot back with unlike the North Vietnamese a few years later)about the new green Army Reserve lieutenant Rokke (on page 2 of the Memo from Col C E Day III are now posted for all in the Files section of DU Story AT Yahoo Groups dot com. I am late for dinner, so must cut this short, but do write me and I will find someone with actual expertise to teach you about depleted uranium. By the way, the horror photos at the lead of this article are false .. they have nothing to do with DU, but I have yet to determine their true origin.

Roger Helbig

Permalink 02/16/07 @ 21:34
Comment from: Rhotel1 [Member]
Since lies about writers are not permitted, are ghastly photos which have no real connection to the subject allowed either. I would like the log owner to contact me about removing them. Thank you.

Roger Helbig
r w helbig @ gmail . com

I also like to contact people directly - so I would appreciate whoever is monitoring this list to do so.
Permalink 02/16/07 @ 21:38
Comment from: Beagle17 [Member]
Wow. Helbig found this blog entry really fast.

I too have received unsolicited emails from Mr. Helbig thanks to my site www.DUBBS.info which is a BBS I set up for people like Felicity and Roger to debate properly about DU. My site did become known to a few anti-DU activists including Rokke and Moret, but it never really caught on, and I got busy with other things and stopped promoting it for a while.

It's still ready and waiting for those who want to actually engage in two-way discourse about DU. Let's say Helbig is wrong and DU is dangerous. Then it is fair to say the anti-DU movement is making essentially no headway by refusing to debate him. In my experience, most net-savvy people find more than enough information online to confirm their hopes that DU is essentially harmless. It is all too easy to see anti-DU campaigners as foolishly misguided radicals.

This is not my view. I believe DU should be banned for all offensive use because it is in all liklihood harmful due to the complexity of biological systems. I like this guy's take on it: http://www.denniskyne.com/

But my point is, there needs to be an open debate because people feel strongly on both sides of this issue. I don't believe Helbig is part of a conspiracy to stifle the activists. I believe he is operating on his own initiative. I certainly could be wrong. But the Internet is full of people who take up causes of one sort and another.

As far as I know, there is no place on the net where this much needed open debate on DU is happening. Until the debate can be laid out clearly, there will be few journalists willing to challenge the standard official version of DU risks. This is a shame, because those official versions are typically loaded with red-herring reasoning and ignore the specific concerns of the most-informed anti-DU critics. I am speaking of alpha radiation at close range due to nano-particulate dust entering the lungs and bloodstreams. Not to mention the "test-tube" argument of Kyne.

So my BBS is still waiting for a user base. All are welcome, including Roger Helbig. (But don't email me again Roger. I'm too busy to respond.)
-Peter www.dubbs.info (registration is instant)
Permalink 02/17/07 @ 15:42
Comment from: denniskyne [Member]
Helbig found this blog entry really fast.
It pops up on the top 10 of google "depleted uranium" today.

Regarding Helbig: This guy has emailed Phd Professors that have me speak in their environmental studies...telling them I have no idea what I am talking on...and let's assume he is right....I don't. Does he? Who does? That has always made me so irate, why people like Roger rant and rave that no one knows what they are talking on when he has never provided one grain of information that allows the talk to move forward. What Roger Helbig does is trash everyone's resume. I have often asked many of these people to debate me. I asked anyone who wanted some of my inquiries to have a shot.
They won't. Why not? There is no information. Only ad hominom presses on our person.
So, where was the test tube, how do you validate shelling millions of pounds of uranium into the environment? What person do you have saying that is ok?
Mr. Helbig, I am inviting you to an open debate, right here on this list.
When shall we start?
Permalink 02/20/07 @ 07:25
Comment from: Beagle17 [Member]
I'll play devil's advocate. (Just ask.)

Interestingly, I once asked Roger if I could quote him (from his emails to me) on my BBS. Actually I did it first. He said I had to remove his words. Though I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have to, I did so.

It's funny, I wasn't even trying to make him look bad by the quotes. So often those who are quick to assail others are the most prickly themselves.

To you Dennis, I am happy to see your Web site is now number 13 in Google. The first time I ever found it was over a year ago when I was testing the new Microsoft search engine. I used "depleted uranium" as a test search and your site came up first at that time (now it's 10th). But I checked all the top 100 of Google and didn't see it there. I thought that was strange, and to Microsoft's credit (Three Hail Marys).

Do you understand why I want to see a BBS devoted to DU? It is such a complicated subject that single threads, such as on a blog, fail to present the information in a digestible fashion. I think an organized BBS can help chop up the various fronts of the debate so that more people can learn about this issue in a way that doesn't overwhelm them. Certain things take coaxing, especially when dealing with crimes against humanity.

I'm certainly not against using blogs and their discussion threads, but I try to imagine the journalist, or even just the curious person who is looking into a subject for the first time. Wouldn't they love to find such a BBS as one devoted specifically to the subject they were researching. I think we should create this for the DU issue (or rather, crime against humanity).

You should put a BBS on your site Dennis.

What happened to you Roger?

Permalink 02/21/07 @ 13:02
Comment from: Rhotel1 [Member]
Nothing like planting more lies on the internet in order to draw out the fakirs. Dennis Kyne doesn't tell you anything about his brushes with the Insurance Commissioners of something like four states and now he is deeply into the anti-war movement because he senses that is where the money is. Anyone who knows anything about the real Dennis Kyne is most welcome to contact me. I particularly would like to know about his service in the Gulf War and with the reserves afterwards.

Beagle17 puts his photo on the net and crows about his past e-mail exchanges, but he still does not put on his thinking cap and look at who is providing the information and whether or not he should believe them.

Personally, I do not believe anyone who lies about who they are, what they have done or what they have seen. That counts out Rokke who has consistently painted a false picture of who he is. The best picture that was painted of Rokke (too bad that Kyne and Moret had not accompanied him to Australia, maybe we would get the same unvarnished image of them as well) is posted at

http://www.parliament.wa.gov.au/hansard/hans35.nsf/451a59fb51257dd248256c85002bc738/d5a84c09a211cadd48256d8600336c20?OpenDocument

Sorry for the long link, but just Google Rokke Australia Member of Parliament

then search down on the page for uranium and you will find a rather lengthy statement which reveals the real Doug Rokke

Who is Dr Rokke? We find out that Dr Rokke is a schoolteacher. A letter to me from the Consul General of the United States, Oscar De Soto - sounds like the name of a motor car - states -

. . . Dr Rokke has made exaggerated and untrue claims during his visit to Australia. Dr Rokke has exaggerated his background. He is not, and never has been “the foremost U.S. military expert on DU,” as he was described in the . . . Canberra Times. He is not a medical doctor. His Ph.D. is in education.

Far as the writer of this obnoxious piece, she seems to be avoiding all contact. Too bad, because she has misrepresented not only me, but my family and the neighbor from hell who lives next door. She can't even get the city right, so how can you count on her to get anything else right. I do look forward to her apology, but rather doubt that she has the good manners to offer one. Lying is her stock in trade, remember that.


Roger Helbig
Permalink 02/27/07 @ 21:11
Comment from: marktwain403 [Member]
As someone who has been involved in work related to radioactivity in the environment for 25 years, I think I am better qualified than most to comment on depleted uranium. I should add here that I have no financial interest in the issue, as none of my income depends on depleted uranium. Firstly, I want to mention that both Doug Rokke and Leuren Moret exaggerate their experience and expertise on this issue. Doug Rokke, in many Internet Interviews, is said to have a Ph.D. in Health Physics, which would be a highly appropriate background with respect to this issue. The fact is that he has a Ph.D. in education and has very little education that is relevant to the depleted uranium issue. I wonder how this false information about his background got included in so many interviews with him and I wonder also why he did not correct the record if the information did not come from him. Rokke has also apparently lied with his claim that 30 of his co-workers died due to depleted uranium. Rokke has refused many opportunites to provide a list of names and the Defense Department refuted his claim.

And what about Leuren Moret? Moret has made serious errors in her claims that a high precentage of children of a Mississippi National Guard unit showed birth defects as a result of service in the first Gulf War. This claim was refuted in a careful study that has been published by the Centers for Disease Control. You don't have to take my word for this. The study or at least its abstract is available on the CDC website. Moret continues to make this claim, several years after the CDC study. Also, in testimony before an amateur war crimes "tribunal" in Japan, Leuren Moret made a rather amusing mistake about the number of steps in the uranium decay chain. She got it quite wrong, something that an expert on uranium would never do. In short, both Rokke and Moret are not intellectually honest in their campaign against depleted uranium. You can learn more about this at my website: http://www.ntanet.net/traprock.html

Robert Holloway
Permalink 03/24/07 @ 10:50
Comment from: Natalie [Member]
It's easy to see how rumors get started/perpetuated on the Internet, as I personally seem to be the subject of one. I believe the point I attempted to make in my reply to Ms. Arbuthnot's above article, on her personal blog, which I will reproduce below, is quite valid:

She was quite willing to uncritically accept a false rumor as genuine, without doing even the most cursory research to confirm it.


What does this portend for her opinions and statements regarding Rokke, Moret, and depleted uranium? Well, it certainly doesn't inspire confidence in their accuracy, or in her journalistic integrity and/or thoroughness.

I'm just an ordinary nobody, but after looking at both sides of the depleted uranium debate, and after comparing the quality of the material, and the expertise of those producing it, I have come to the conclusion that those attempting to attribute the photos at the top of this article, for example, as being the result of depleted uranium exposure are complete and utter frauds. Contrast this to the actual medical follow-up on those receiving close-up and personal exposure to DU resulting from friendly fire incidents, and even those with more indirect exposure, and the fraud will become obvious.

My response to Felicity, who has not seen fit to correct her false allegation, or even address the matter, is as follows:


"It now transpires that Helbig (whose scorn for on-line journalists and journals is boundless) has posted varying rants on www.inthesetimes.com in the name of ‘Natalie.’ You have been warned."

Being the Natalie you refer to, I'd like to address this charge you make, Felicity, about Roger & me. That sounds eerily like a Michael Moore movie; both are equally fictional.

Not that I wish to separate myself from Roger's attitude about depleted uranium or Doug Rokke, but you should be aware that you've been led astray by this little myth about he being me, and way too uncritically so.

Are you always so quick to transmit false information? Do you make a habit of repeating rumors, which, with a little more investigation and thought, might prove to be questionable at best?

Well, in this case you have indeed done so. Such cavalier carelessness is common and even expected within the ranks of amateur Internet pseudo sleuths such as myself, but I would expect better from a genuine award winning investigative journalist. Is this an indication of the level of verification and proof you require for making an informed judgment on the health effects of DU?

As I've made clear in my many posts in the comments section below the article "Radioactive Wounds of War" at "In These Times", I'm certainly no expert on DU, and in fact had never heard of it before reading the article.

However, I am able to read reports, and I am able to judge the quality of information and the level of relevant expertise of the people providing that information. I am able to see obvious rabid anti-war and anti-US bias, which of course can only pervert and pollute any attempt at honest science.

From what I've seen, Rokke is likely not among such relevant experts. I hesitate to outright accuse him of being simply a disgruntled opportunist and a poser, but I strongly suspect this is the case. I would assume that a real life investigative journalist might attempt to rigorously verify Rokke's credentials and true education and work history with the relevant authorities. Can you honestly say that you have thoroughly done so? There are starting points:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Rokke
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leuren_Moret

I'm fairly confident that DU, while certainly not entirely harmless, is hugely overrated in terms of toxicity and radiological danger. I'm not against its further study and the monitoring of exposed individuals and environments, but so far its effects have not lived up to its hideous Internet reputation. In the mean time, the hysteria carried out in its name taints honest efforts at assessment, and any results that don't measure up to the apocalyptic scenarios painted by the anti-DU crowd are summarily rejected. That doesn't serve anyone well. Not soldiers who seek to limit the length and death tolls of military engagements by using superior defensive and offensive instruments, and not innocent civilians and veterans who have been saturated with likely unfounded or at least certainly exaggerated fears of cancer and/or other deadly ailments.

I've not paid a whole lot of attention to the issue since "Radioactive Wounds", but I did feel compelled to set you straight on your erroneous charge above, and even more so to expose your willingness to believe something unverified and untrue just because it made Roger look bad. How very professional of you.

More recently at "In These Times", I've been battling patently false, ridiculous and irresponsible accusations relating to what happened at the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on 9/11. I was introduced to this thicket of stupidity during the "Wounds" discussion upon my discovery that Doug Rokke and Leuren Moret apparently seriously entertain or at least entertained the deranged fantasy that a DU-tipped missile hit the Pentagon, and not American flight 77. They immediately rejected simple and obvious reality, so eager were they to believe anything that fit in with their biased and bitter world-view.

MORET: I’ll tell you what I did when 9/11 happened.
I called all the doctors with Radiation And Public Health Project, and I said, “Get out of town, and don’t come back until it has rained three times.” One lived 12 miles downwind from the Pentagon. She went out on her balcony with her geiger counter. I said, “Get that geiger counter out of your purse.” We had just done a press conference in San Francisco, and I knew she had it in her purse. Well, the radiation levels were 8-10 times higher than background.

We called the EPA, HAZMAT, FBI, and said, “Get all those emergency response workers suited up. They need to be protected.” Two days after 9/11, the EPA radiation expert for that region called back and said, “Yup, the Pentagon crash rubble was radioactive, and we believe it’s depleted uranium, but we’re not worried about that. It’s only harmful if it’s inhaled.”
He said, “We’re worried about the lead solder in the plane.” Well, you know what’s in Tomahawk missiles? They have depleted uranium warheads. The radioactive crash rubble contaminated with DU is evidence of a DU warhead.

http://tinyurl.com/3y5xxv
http://tinyurl.com/335hw8

Did they really believe this nonsense? Do they still? It would appear so. Perhaps you can ask them.

People with this level of gullibility and/or lack of critical thinking skills, not to mention an apparent lack of advanced radiological/biochemical education and expertise, have no business trying to pass themselves off as scientists and/or credible authorities on DU or anything. My informed opinion of Rokke and Moret is that they are hyping this DU thing way above and beyond any kind of reality, along with their credentials, and are thus garnering much ill-deserved attention, adoration and money.
Permalink 03/26/07 @ 15:42
Comment from: Dontmakemelaugh [Member]
LOL! and LOL again. How much do you get paid to try and keep this covered up helbigot? It's so funny how you try and make people believe everyone else is lying but you! You even try using different usernames...doesn't work though lol. Your Government is destroying this planet with your denial and unwillingness to spend money on safer ways of doing things. Governments are supposed to do whats best for their people not themselves! But it is not like you are going to listen! It is like talking to a brick wall!!! *rolls eyes* BAKA
Permalink 03/01/08 @ 22:38




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